To be quite honest, this is a big reason I never even tried the PVP here.. it seems to broken, always has. I mean sure it probably is very fun in the beginning of a pvp server, let alone any server. Its thats start all over feeling, knowing everyone is starting from scratch. We all truly love to start a new server. But then the main problem is it dies out. Why?? Well you guys have all really listed the main problems..

Now the staff wants to put more severe punishments for the power abusers and such, and the random pks from happening as much, but increasing the cost of penalties in order to really "scare" people from the whole killing other people for no reason aspect, now everyone doesn't like the new ideas staff implements based off what the players are saying. Seems to be a vicious cycle.

So im with Thrall. Just make a new NON-PVP server. If staff is so keen on players using the War Mode the proper PvP battles. this would make the most sense. No more power abusing players while trying to level or hunt (Playing the game). If you want to pvp and settle arguments the proper war mode way.

I get the other reason of a PVP server, is to Kill people..... But is the reason to kill everyone and just ruin the fun for everyone? Killing people for no reason while they are trying to get to a point in the game where they can fight as well and actually have a chance? I find that these types of players get killed off pvp servers and come to elysium because of this very fact... they cannot progress in a pvp server due to getting killed for no reason over and over by a certain team or person.

So how about everyone put their money where their mouth is, just pvp the propper way in a War Mode, show your skill, show your teamwork, show your true power, instead of talking all the smack on forums.... your gameplay speaks for itself. No need for everyone to be so damn extra about it all. lol. For those who cheat and manipulate mechanics to better your pvp game play, you're trash, and you know who you are .

P.S Savage already proved a huge point, dont underestimate us Non-pvpers.. You all underestimated him, and he overall, is probably one of the best PvP players this game has seen, just cause we don't play PvP doesnt make us "not good". ;)

Yea I see this being abused. Say one guild makes war with another and is killed by someones maker that is not in the guild war. Will that said person that dies take full death penalty? If not then I see people abusing the guild war system to greatly reduce death loss other ways. IE mob+pk deaths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Lw6k7k9Rk this is for my brazil friends :DDD