It's better if cleave cooldown goes to 2s and obviously its damage reduce to - 33% of current damage.
Paladin's damage per minute will remain the same, life steal too.
I've seen many paladins saying about it: "3s cooldown is over boring just reduce damage and cd to 2s".
At least the game will be more dynamic only allowing to cast more spells in a minute.
So it's an insignificant change in terms of nerf or buff but can turn that subclass gameplay more enjoyable again.

It is a nerf as paladin loses 1sec which could be used for heal, or some other spell. I wouldn't mind on the change tho if paladins wants it.

What a bad idea, I completely disagree.

Starting from Paladin as it was before 3s cleave nerf, if we compare actual nerf (nerf 1) and your proposition (nerf 2), then clearly nerf 2 is worst than nerf 1.

It's same if you consider cleave alone (-33%) but it's not if you consider whole possible gameplay. Indeed, as Baltas said, nerf 1 allows to slightly compensate those -33% by the use of other spells, whereas nerf 2 doesn't.


That's for fact. Now speaking about opinions, I do think (one of the few paladins who do ?) that pala gameplay is more interesting with 3s cleave than 2s, precisely more dynamic. As I wrote many times elsewhere, I just would hope something else to compensate huge -33% on cleave ... but it's only my opinion and I understand others wouldn't share it.

Nah, change the Cleave to 2s and add a lot of damage to it, or a 8x8 attack area

well the 3s cleave prank has gone pretty far its time to go back to 2s, no?

ppl who arent agree with this didnt play paladin for be agree with this

what the staff has to do is return desolation because cleave was the worst spell for paladin it has a lot against and they start to see desolation it had no against at all from my perspective

I dont care about less dmg in exchange to less cd on cleave. By the way shield slam could be 10s until 12s cd hiting 3sqm ahead It solves any dmg gap claimed by paladins.

JOKE RIGHT???? DESOLATION?? PALADIN IS ALREADY IMMORTAL, STILL WANT TO SPAMMINF SPELL WITHOUT EXAUSTED??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


I AGREE TO RETURN CLEAVE 2S, THAT ALREADY MAKES PALADIN INSANE.

AND BARBARIAN NEED 4K 2 HANDED WEAPON.