I understood your point now.

So it's better if cleave goes to 2s and 25% less dmg.

It compensates sweeping swipe dmg and provides a bit more hp steal too.

Solution to all would be

Third promotion; (level 400~450)

New spells from this promotion;

Make quest stupid hard, can't run it, pretty long, pre-requisites, grindy.

Interesting.

1. Guilherme Nelvam Warrior (Paladin) 769 343 801 092 Elysium

4. Bloody Butcher Warrior (Paladin) 535 236 222 629 Elysium


with the cleave 3 seconds the paladin doing almost insane 400kk of xp in a day, imagine if it was 2s

PALADIN IS GREAT, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE COMPLAINT.

you're really just a clown.. lmao
slam single target, cleave 2s isn't op, every class, even shamans, may hit a box while paladins dont, whats wrong with paladin being a tank and dealing damage? same goes for barbarians, want to tank more? heal better? make a paladin =)

Its only the eurly stages where paladins are tankier, at a certain level it doesnt matter what class you are and at the end barb overrules paladin in almost everything.
anyway, barbs make more xp than paladins.. only the spawns are limited to do so.

Exactly after lv 600 barbarians heal almost as a paladin does, has only 10% less hp (from fortification) and hits about 40-50% more, also a trapped paladin is a dead paladin, a trapped barbarian can jump out of the trap.

I think paladins are fine, when people start to compare paladin/barb.. you are defining the definition of each of the subclasses pretty good, in other words the balance is good?

Barbs can do more xp than paladins endgame for the same reason a pyro can do more xp than a warlock. The point of a barb is to win on dmg in the end, which they do. Pyros point is also to specificly do more aoe dmg than anyone else.

Yes, this may result in more xp/h for them, but isnt the reason they have more xp/h very obvious? Its logical for a higher dmg class once it gets "OP" to win these benefits.

If your comparing lvl 600+ chars.. you wont take this lvl without hard work, and ofc you SHOULD see benefits at this point.

Changing paladins when they do what they do best, beacuse barbarians get more xp out of what they do best.. will then create IMBALANCE, next thread will be: why do i play barb? Paladin do the same dmg ?!?!?!
Let it be and accept the fact that good balance also brings benefits from each individual class in different ways. Thats how balance works and why you wanna play a specifik class if you think realisticly.

Change paladin: no
You define the classes good in this thread and if u read it open-minded you will realize its actually balanced.

Ive been playing shaman main for over 5 years, i dont force shamans to become what they shouldnt be in order to catch up with pyros in dmg/xp, beacuse its illogical as hell. Cuz i know what i benefit from being shaman compared to pyro, the same way as u define in this thread the reason to be a barb instead of a paladin. Turn off the ego and read the thread again, seems balanced to me.

I think there has to be balance between the classes, Tibia done this very well. They've made each class seem different and play different but the difference in EXP/H is 10% or less. On this game you have some classes doing 100%+ more than others which is actually insane, there is a reason a lot of people play Pyro on the seasonal.

so let's just make barbarian's pick also be in 3s
If you haven't noticed the cleave was nerfed on damage as well. It would be fair if the cleave was in 1s or 2s since the paladin is not only a tank, he also has moderate damage in terms of zezenia 3 star and if it makes you think being realistic as you say, in a 1x1 barbarian vs the paladin obviously wins the paladin since the subclassed paladin trained for any situation and the second the paladin can also use 2-handed weapons and better than the barbarian

The only thing I don't understand is how they don't eliminate the barbarian at once, the only useful thing that this subclass has is to do it only in the lvl 110 quest because for the rest it is crap, even 2-handed weapons are useless, the only thing to do is lower the defense so that the rangers and monsters kill you faster

PLEASE ADM OR GM ELIMINATE THE BARBARIAN AT ONCE SO THAT THEY STOP NERFADING THE POOR PALADIN BECAUSE THE BARBARIANS SOON GET DOWN TO COMPLAIN THAT PALADIN TANKS A LOT AND MAKES MORE TEAM EXP